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Requested move (2011)

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Iqbal → Iqbal (disambiguation) – Muhammad Iqbal is the primary topic for Iqbal so this article needs to be moved so that Iqbal can redirect to Muhammad Iqbal. I moved the page earlier but the move was reverted with the rationale very common Arabic name. However, as can be seen by the contents of the dab page, Iqbal appears to be a name used in South Asia and not commonly used elsewhere. Within South Asia, the poet is the most common usage of Iqbal and none of the others listed on the dab page are as well known. Please make your views known below. Thanks. regentspark (comment) 16:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support vide rationale given above. AshLin (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support: With Muslim names, we need to avoid thinking of the second name as the equivalent of a European surname, but having said that Muhammad Iqbal is a giant and is the only Iqbal of any real significance, so he is undoubtedly the primary topic for "Iqbal". Moonraker (talk) 17:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is also the well known film, Iqbal (film), and the three places called Iqbal. Search Google with "site:en.wikipedia.org Iqbal" for how common this name is, you can't have a similar very common Arabic male first name, also particularly common among South Asians; "Mahmud" redirect to someone's view on who the most famous bearer using it as a surname is.
Iqbal (also spelled Ikbal, Eghbal, or Ekbal) is a very common Arabic male given name, common around the whole Muslim world, and is not a family name, Rizvi is an example of a family name.
There are "1506" views in the last 30 days on Iqbal.
There are "51787" views on Muhammad Iqbal in the last 30 days.
Chances are people are already finding Muhammad Iqbal's page fine for the last however many years it's been online. And it is against Wikipedia policy to randomly decide him using Iqbal as a surname is now notable enough to have it redirect to him, he's been dead for more than 70 years. There are no very common male first names of any culture on Wikipedia that redirect to anyone.
Most people going to Iqbal are looking for people, the etymology, places and other uses of Iqbal. John Cengiz talk 04:25, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, it needs to be "highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." and I don't see any evidence that this is the case. If someone will do the effort to collect such statistics I may change my mind. --Muhandes (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- As his full name is Muhammad Iqbal and Iqbal is presumably a patronymic, not a surname, his aricle should remain where it is. An alternative might be to make him the primary topic but with a redirects here hatnote. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Gurmukhi

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Since Iqbal is a fairly common Sikh name as well, could someone add the Gurmukhi script version of it to the article. Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 17:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have added Central Asian and Middle Eastern to South Asia since it is a personal name in Turkic, Afghanistan and in Kurdish territories. Moarrikh (talk) 23:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is against moving this page. (non-admin closure) Egsan Bacon (talk) 03:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Iqbal → Iqbal (disambiguation) – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:55, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What i am trying to imply here is that his most common name is just "Iqbal" and not "Muhammad Iqbal", article title does not have to be the full name. Sheriff (report) 19:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Neutral: the argument more sources at Muhammad Iqbal refer him by just "Iqbal" than "Muhammad Iqbal is pointless, as most articles about a person will refer to them by their surname only (as we do in Wikipedia). What matters is whether most references to "Iqbal", globally, are to the particular person called "Muhammad Iqbal". This confirms him as the national poet, little known in the west (though under a different name of Allama Iqbal. PamD 13:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is rather unique for "Iqbal", not all people are referenced by their surname, this occurrence is in line with people like Akbar, Rumi and Ghalib, what do you have to say about that? Most literary work refer him as "Iqbal" and not "Muhammad Iqbal". Sheriff (report) 19:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 20 May 2025

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Iqbal → Iqbal (disambiguation) – Iqbal is definitely WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Muhammad Iqbal and should redirect there. I'm surprised on how Iqbal remains a disambiguation for such a long period. Previous move requests were effortless so I will try to put a far more stronger case for this one.

The current Iqbal disambiguation contains places in Pakistan which are all named after Muhammad Iqbal e.g. Iqbal Manzil, Iqbal Park, Iqbal Stadium, Allama Iqbal International Airport etc. And for anyone saying Iqbal is a common name, well there is already a separate page for Iqbal (name) and nearly all of the article there are nothing in front of Muhammad Iqbal. Muhammad Iqbal is among the top Wikipedia articles by popularity, with 520k pageviews last year. None of the people cited in above discussions like Ahsan Iqbal (30k pageviews last year) and Rao Sikandar Iqbal (5k pageviews last year) and Iqbal Masih (85k pageviews last year) As a matter of fact, even adding the pageviews of all these figures is not equal to Muhammad Iqbal alone!

A simple Google search for 'Iqbal' would show Muhammad Iqbal everywhere, he's the national poet of the world's fifth-most populous country, a highly well-known renowned figure in India and Iran, known as "Poet of the East" in the West and simply one of the leading figures of the 20th-century. Anyways, this is not meant to boast him but just to state the important of Muhammad Iqbal over other people named "Iqbal". Saying that "Iqbal" is a common name and not primary topic for him is like the same as saying Einstein is a common name and not primary topic for Albert Einstein. IqbalianThought (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's any contest between Muhammad Iqbal and Iqbal (film) as the film had 66k pageviews last year, in comparison to Muhammad Iqbal's 520k pageviews, a 454k pageviews difference. And also per the Wikinav results as well, Muhammad Iqbal has a 10-13% more visitor rate than the film. Regarding the name part, I guess that could be because Muhammad Iqbal is not mentioned separately in a bullet in the disambiguation, in contrast to Iqbal (name) and Iqbal (film), especially in phone view. As for the Wikinav data for the name page, only 10% arriving their from the disambiguation page is in support for the move, not against it? And 10% of outgoing views continuing on to Muhammad Iqbal is the most for any figure there. In the Iqbal (name) Wikinav data, outgoing views are actually ~15%–24% for Muhammad Iqbal, followed by Iqbal Abdullah (13%), Iqbal Singh (spiritual leader) (12%) and Iqbal Singh (academic) (11%). The most outgoing views are for Jats (38–53%), then by Muhammad Iqbal, then by Punjab (12.5%) This Wikinav data itself shows that the most outgoing views for any individual person in the Iqbal (name) page is for Muhammad Iqbal as Jats and Punjab can obviously not count here. IqbalianThought (talk) 21:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not exactly fair comparison as using raw page views for a naturally disambiguated page provides zero information about how many persons viewing Muhammad Iqbal refer to him as simply Iqbal--only that the poet's page is relatively more visited than others. And yes, the Wiknav data suggests that up to 90% of the persons looking for something named "Iqbal" were not looking for the poet. Hard to re-interpret that as anything other than not supporting a primary topic. And same with the name page, the Wiknav data suggests that 75% or more of persons going to that page were not looking for the poet. older ≠ wiser 01:21, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And more two-thirds of that 90% were looking for "Jats" and "Punjab", which have nothing to do with the Iqbal disambiguation. The only individual person for whom most persons were looking was Muhammad Iqbal as per the results. Nevertheless, it seems we won't reach an agreement here and that's cool. I guess it's best to let others chime in. IqbalianThought (talk) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't mean much of anything other than that many more people who arrive at the name page navigate to Jat, regardless of whether it has anything to do with Iqbal disambiguation in your estimation. We don't know why persons choose the navigation path they do, but the data shows the poet does not constitute a majority of such navigation--even if the Jat and Punjab paths are excluded. older ≠ wiser 16:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: per nom. The fact that there have been three requested moves only for Muhammad Iqbal is enough to show that Iqbal is definitely the primary topic for Muhammad Iqbal, simply because there's no other competitor for "Iqbal".
𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 19:45, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Muhammad Iqbal is a giant and the only Iqbal of any significance, so he is undoubtedly the primary topic for "Iqbal". Moonraker (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - He is always known simply as "Iqbal". Nearly all of the academic books about him just use "Iqbal" instead of his full name, like Victor Kiernan's Poems from Iqbal, Niaz Erfan's Iqbal & Existentialism, M. Munawar's Dimensions of Iqbal, Rashida Malik's Iqbal: The Spiritual Father of Pakistan, C.M. Naim's Iqbal, Jinnah and Pakistan etc. only to name a few. I've actually rarely seen books with his full name "Muhammad Iqbal" in them, as with other philosophers like Liebniz, Goethe, Nietzsche etc. they simply just use the popular surname. I cannot recall any other Iqbal as notable as Muhammad Iqbal. Lahndi Chokra (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There is no primary topic for this very common name. It's like saying there's a primary topic for Smith. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:36, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about the comparison between Smith and Iqbal. Smith is one of the most common surnames in the English-speaking world whereas the name Iqbal is indeed well-known but not that popular in the Muslim world. Just see the List of people with surname Smith and the List of people with surname Iqbal, there's a massive difference. Also, as Moonraker said, Muhammad Iqbal is the only Iqbal of any significance, in contrast to Smith e.g. there's no primary topic for Smith. Just give a quick Google search for Iqbal and Smith and you could see the difference. IqbalianThought (talk) 21:36, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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