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Ideal sources for Wikipedia's health content are defined in the guideline Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and are typically review articles. Here are links to possibly useful sources of information about Sexual and gender minorities.

PubMed provides review articles from the past five years (limit to free review articles)
The TRIP database provides clinical publications about evidence-based medicine.
Other potential sources include: Centre for Reviews and Dissemination and CDC

On 26 April 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from Sexual minority to Sexual and gender minorities. The result of the discussion was moved.

Comment

Asexuals should be included on this page, if someone would like to put them in. 71.232.18.96 02:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

What about zoophiles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.193.67 (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not consensual – animals can't consent. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:41, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

Is https://books.google.com/books?id=FPswAAAAIAAJ&q=%22sexual+minority%22&dq=%22sexual+minority%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu9oTGgdbOAhWHAcAKHcWBBvIQ6AEIHjAA (1955, Matachine Society) a better citation for the origin of sexual minority in regard to sexuality? (Other uses of "sexual minority," which refer to women, from the 1960s have been excluded.)

Additionally, it seems Ullerstam never used the express term "sexual minority," rather Hugo G. Beigel did in reviewing Ullerstam's work. The review itself is what has been cited, not Ullerstam's work. Ullerstam argued on behalf of these people as minorities but the closest term used in English translation is the title itself, "Erotic Minorities." --208.54.35.152 (talk) 23:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• The entire subsection labeled “Controversy” is all over the place, and focuses a lot on just explaining the viewpoints of trans individuals in relation to the term “sexual minority” without including the views of other minorities, allowing for potential bias. Citation is always important here, they mention that “many trans feel….” but this is very vague and lacking authority because you have no idea who exactly they are referring to.

• "Some transgender and transsexual people dislike the term sexual minority for yet another reason. They argue that the phenomenon of transsexuality or transgender has nothing to do with sex, sexual practices or sexual orientation, but it relates to the gender, gender dysphoria and gender-variant behavior or feelings. Thus, they feel it is incorrect to classify them as "sexual minority", when, in fact, they are gender-variant minority." Yes, and some lesbian and gay people have the same opinion, not wanting transgender people put into the same "LGBT community" and arguing for "LGB without the T".

• I think an interesting aspect that should be included in the article is society’s response to groups of sexual minorities throughout history, and how different cultures treat individuals of non-heteronormative sexualities. This could help broaden the article to not only just explain what a sexual minority is, but HOW they have made an impact in our society and how that has developed over time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmart194 (talk • contribs)

- The Controversy section is quite vague and includes the word "some" instead of providing statistical evidence or references to support what is mentioned. Yuliana Acevedo (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notifying of Redirect for Discussion

There's a discussion involving changing the redirect target of Gender and Sexual Minorities—and possibly other redirects—to this page. The conversation is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 18#Gender and Sexual Minorities. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Gender and Technoculture 320-01

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 January 2023 and 8 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Yuliana Acevedo (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Maryp4001.

— Assignment last updated by ACHorwitz (talk) 20:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As is often the case some of these edits are problems. I have fixed what I can at the moment, I'm listing them here to help with future WikiEd and similar projects. I'll add to the list if needed.

Changing spelling between variants - I would advise against doing this as a new editor. It's not a big deal so I have left this as is for the moment.
Changing text with no references to make it more suitable to your world view. Just no. Deleting the text would in this case be fine, and indeed that is what I have done - it was 8 years without a citation. (Finding references would also have been fine, as long as the claim made is supported by the ref.) N Deleted
Changing sourced text to be more inclusive - if someone has done research on LGB youth, that is what they have done. (For example: "the prevalence of 16 was higher among gay, lesbian, and bisexual students than heterosexual students.") Changing this to "LGBT" makes the statement wrong. Fixed
This edit breaks references. Just because a reference, specifically a hyper link, no longer works we don't necessarily remove it from the article. Generally we can find the reference on archive.org or another archive server. Not fixed

One more note, this reference is in a peer reviewed journal, but is an opinion piece, so is not likely to be peer reviewed itself (contrary to what the editor says in her notes). It can still be used as a source, but with care.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Citations to US Government agencies

Be aware that much US Govt. documentation in this field (research papers, survey results etc) has been removed from the agencies' websites by the 2025 Trump administration. However archived versions exist, both on archive.org and elsewhere. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 15:47, 15 February 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Coverage

This article has severe limitations in coverage, being focussed largely on the US and the twenty-first century. It also focusses almost entirely on negative outcomes, omitting any cultural and other areas of discussion. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Framework mischaracterised

I've removed the following: "One small study conducted by American psychologist, Mark L. Hatzenbuehler showed that LGBT adolescents were victimized more often, had higher rates of psychopathology, left home more frequently, used highly addictive substances more frequently, and were more likely to have more multiple sex partners than heterosexual adolescents."^[1]

^ Hatzenbuehler, Mark L. (2009-09-01). "How does sexual minority stigma "get under the skin"? A psychological mediation framework". Psychological Bulletin. 135 (5): 707–730. doi:10.1037/a0016441. ISSN 1939-1455. PMC 2789474. PMID 19702379.

The interesting paper, in author's ms form, advances a framework, buttressed by extensive literature support. It is not however a study, either small or large. Most of the claims advanced (risk taking behaviour) are supported by the CDC study more effectively than this paper, which is already mentioned. It does say " Several studies have documented increased exposure to these distal stressors in LGB populations" (including victimization) - but once again we see our article preferring to use LGBT, despite T not being covered by the studies. Moreover, and maybe more importantly, the paper discusses stressors in a far more nuanced way, which is really a subject for a more detailed article specifically on sexual minority mental health.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 23:21, 15 February 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Requested move 26 April 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 01:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual minority → Sexual and gender minorities – The present article already discusses the proposed term prominently in the lead. The notability of the proposed term is well described in LGBTQ (term)#SGM/GSM/GSRM, a section which could be merged here. fgnievinski (talk) 22:13, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

support and support merging section Cognsci (talk) 23:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support move and merge.--Trystan (talk) 23:59, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support gender and sexual minorities because alphabetical order. Mast303 (talk) 19:17, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. "Sexual and gender minority" has 1.4 million Google hits compared to "gender and sexual minority" with 323k. Similar for the plurals ("…minorities") it's 1.6 million with "sexual" first and 679k with "gender" first. Thus the proposed word order reflects common usage. Regarding the merger, I would oppose removing LGBTQ (term)#SGM/GSM/GSRM but perhaps the section there could be shortened with some content moved over. If SGM/GSM/GSRM is so notable, it deserves due weight LGBTQ (term)#Alternatives. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: After the move, check Special:PrefixIndex/Gender and sex, Special:PrefixIndex/Sexual and gender, and Special:PrefixIndex/Sexuality and gender for consistencies. LIrala (talk) 03:37, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Gender minority" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Gender minority has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 17 § Gender minority until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 18:08, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[skin-1] Hatzenbuehler, Mark L. (2009-09-01). "How does sexual minority stigma "get under the skin"? A psychological mediation framework". Psychological Bulletin. 135 (5): 707–730. doi:10.1037/a0016441. ISSN 1939-1455. PMC 2789474. PMID 19702379.

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