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More real-world info + "Marvel's"

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Other than #Reception, this draft currently contains some in-universe info like Games (mostly plot), Characters (table), and etc. I believe once we add more real-world info.. then this can move to mainspace. Perhaps a summarized version of Spider-Man (2018 video game) § Development and bits from Spider-Man: Miles Morales § Production could suffice.

I'd try removing some of the excessive "Marvel's" everytime you introduce a game's title. The "Marvel's" is simply branding and the article titles even omit them. I'll go ahead and be bold and move this page to Draft:Spider-Man (Insomniac Games series). Pinging @RebelYasha:. — SirDot (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. I only attached the "Marvel's" moniker because I wanted it to reflect how the game's been marketed and titled by Insomniac and Marvel themselves during all the promo stuff since it was part of the game's branding to distinguish it from other video games based on the character.
I initially wasn't going to add a Development section if only because the similar article for the Batman Arkham games doesn't seem to document that kind of stuff since it's already present in the articles for the individual games of that series, but for the sake of including more real-world info I can look into that RebelYasha (talk) 21:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: It's done. I also added the extra tidbits uncovered recently from that Ultimate History of Video Games Vol. 2 book that went into extensive detail about Marvel shopping the IP around before eventually electing Sony for Spider-Man, since that's a pivotal part of how the series materialized. RebelYasha (talk) 22:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. I can swing by (see what I did there?) and do some c/e tomorrow morning/when I wake up. — SirDot (talk) 22:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 December 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 18:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spider-Man (Insomniac Games series) → Marvel's Spider-Man (video game series) – The series is referred to by its full name in most promotional media, as well as the developer's official website, which is distinctive from various other Spider-Man video games or media in general. Per WP:COMMONNAME this should suffice as the appropriate title for the page. The boss 1904 (talk) 16:47, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 1 June 2025

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– Making a formal move request following the recent discussion at WT:VG. Pinging everyone who contributed to that discussion: @Zxcvbnm, ImaginesTigers, Masem, SilviaASH, and SnowFire:.

I recommend looking through that discussion, but here's a summary of the rationale:

  • The video games are the primary topic for the title Marvel's Spider-Man, as clearly demonstrated by the sources and search results.
  • Concerns have been raised about the ambiguity of the title, but that specific title only refers to two things (the games and a TV series), and anything else it could refer to is adequately covered by the regular Spider-Man disambiguation, eliminating the need for a disambiguation page at this title.
    • If consensus to keep the current dab arises, then moving Spider-Man (video game series) to Marvel's Spider-Man (video game series) should still be considered owing to all the remaining reasons.
  • The games are commonly referred to both with and without the Marvel's prefix, but using it is more natural disambiguation, represents the true title, and removes the need to use the years, which are less natural for readers (most people don't keep track of when games were released).
  • WP:Consistent with the precedent set by articles such as Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy and Marvel's Avengers (video game), and even Marvel's Wolverine within the same franchise. Also List of accolades received by Marvel's Spider-Man.
  • Also consistent with Category:Marvel's Spider-Man and Template:Marvel's Spider-Man.
  • Marvel's Spider-Man is the official name, and using only Spider-Man could lead to more ambiguity issues, for example with the 2002–07 games series.
  • The series and games are always referred to in prose using the full title with Marvel's. 9ninety (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion

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  • Support All three. Far cleaner than the current situation. Masem (t) 15:34, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternate move of the first one to Marvel's Spider-Man (video game series) due to the TV series being an alternate primary topic. The DAB page should be retained where it is. Support 2 and 3 per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:13, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all. If this move request passes as proposed, Spider-Man 2 (2004 video game) should also be moved to Spider-Man 2 (video game) as the disambiguation from the 2023 title using the year will no longer be necessary, and the other games named Spider-Man 2 are naturally disambiguated by their subtitles. A hatnote should be put on top of that article, of course. silviaASH (inquire within) 19:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose the alternate move proposed by Zxcvbnm. If others support it I'm not gonna die on this hill, but we're talking about disambiguating only three topics of the specific title "Marvel's Spider-Man" and the games are unquestionably the primary topic of that. It's much simpler to just have the hatnote pointing from one to the others, rather than force readers to make an extra click to no benefit. I understand the PDAB argument below, but intuitive navigation should be prioritized over following content guidelines to the letter. silviaASH (inquire within) 17:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all three. No need to do the extra 4th move proposed by SilivaASH IMO, the extra 4 characters for a year is fine for Spider-Man 2 (2004 video game). No opinion on Zxcvbn's alternate suggestion, both Marvel's Spider Man with a hatnote or "(series)" or "(video game series)" are all fine by me. Side note: in some of the previous RMs (generally on the talk page for the 2018 game), there were various arguments made against "Marvel's", so let me preemptively respond to some of them. First, some called it "vague" or that it could be confused with the character itself. Maybe, but that's what the lede section is for, and hatnotes. It's not like "Spider-Man" alone is any less ambiguous or potentially referring to the character rather than the game. Others criticized Marvel's as just "branding" - but so what? Look at the titles of sports stadiums or the like, sometimes the brand is part of the name. The only real question here is WP:COMMONNAME, but per analysis of the sources used in the article, "Marvel's" is a very common prefix. So Wikipedia should honor that usage. SnowFire (talk) 14:38, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with the tweak proposed by zxcvbnm. Yue🌙 03:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all three. I don't completely agree with zxcvbnm that the television series is an alternate primary topic but don't feel too strongly about it. An incognito Google and Bing search for "Marvel's Spider-Man" overwhelmingly and only returns results for the video game series. It's a brute force method, but I'm seeing 108,000 views for the video game articles compared to 16,500 for the television series. When users visit the Marvel's Spider-Man disambiguator, they're three times more likely going to a video-game article. The disambiguation page isn't in the top-10 view sources for the TV series. The video-game series has sold over 30 million copies. From a pure simplicity perspective, I'd support removing the year disambiguator for the TV series and renaming to Marvel's Spider-Man (TV series) with a hat-note on the main video game series article. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 10:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed, a hatnote like the one silviaASH suggested in the previous discussion removes the need for a dab page:
    This article is about the video game series. For the first game in the series, see Marvel's Spider-Man (video game). For the animated series, see Marvel's Spider-Man (TV series). For other uses, see Spider-Man (disambiguation).
    Covers all use cases in a simple hatnote. 9ninety (talk) 12:57, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:PDAB standards are very high and stringent. The game series is unquestionably more popular, but does not meet those high PDAB standards where the alternate topic is extremely obscure and unlikely to be looked for. It's literally another major Spider-Man based work. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:33, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely because of their popularity, it is unlikely to be looked for, but I can concede your case has some merit. I think it's much less elegant, but I can support your alternate move if others are also persuaded by it. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 16:48, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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