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Scheduled for POTD

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Hello all

An image from this artitcle has been selected for Picture of the Day on July 4, 2024. See Template:POTD/2024-07-04 for details.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 March 2025

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George Washington (Trumbull)George Washington (Trumbull, 1780) – While this article is more widely viewed than George Washington (Trumbull, 1790) (by approximately a 4.5:1 margin), I'm not convinced that it's the primary topic by enough of a margin to justify a WP:PDAB. ModernDayTrilobite (talkcontribs) 17:05, 20 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Sophisticatedevening (talk) 19:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 12:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Valorrr (lets chat) 01:04, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Would George Washington and William Lee not be a more natural disambiguation? Rafts of Calm (talk) 21:59, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think that this article is the primary topic. It was Picture of the Day. George Washington (Trumbull, 1790) was created later and caused the problem. I would rename the later to perhaps Washington and the Departure of the British Garrison from New York City. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 10:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest both are moved. Rafts of Calm (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: The current title is unjustified WP:INCOMPLETEDAB. This painting is not the primary topic for "George Washington", so it cannot be moved to that title. Renaming the other article does nothing to resolve the ambiguity of the current title for this topic, and there is insufficient justification for a WP:PDAB. Renaming it to George Washington and William Lee seems revisionist – Mr. Lee is not at all prominent in the picture, which is clearly focused on Washington, and I doubt very many other sources identify the painting that way. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:19, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Revisionist or not, it’s a natural disambiguation and supported by reliable sources. It’s not for us to determine what the name of the painting should be. Rafts of Calm (talk) 18:08, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, after a bit of searching, I see that name being used by The Met and a site called Discovery Virginia and Artvee, although I have the impression that the name is not used very widely. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:34, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the Met is currently where the painting is located, does that give their naming any extra support? ―Howard🌽33 15:25, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. Wikipedia prefers WP:COMMONNAMEs, not WP:OFFICIALNAMES. There is actually a preference for reliable sources to be WP:INDEPENDENT of the topic in Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The museum is not independent of the painting. They may choose labels for very different reasons than Wikipedia does, such as revisionist reasons, promotional reasons, and avoidance of criticisms. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: 4.5:1 is probably enough for a PDAB in this case. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me! 10:27, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
4.5:1 is exceptionally low for a PDAB pageview ratio. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, 4.5/1 is too low. Should be at least 10/1. Steel1943 (talk) 16:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Relisting to generate a more thorough consensus. Sophisticatedevening (talk) 19:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject New York (state), GLAM/Metropolitan Museum of Art, WikiProject United States, WikiProject Military history, and WikiProject Visual arts have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 12:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]