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Hava Mendelle (November 2, 2023). "Wikipedia at war". Spectator Australia. Retrieved November 2, 2023. Reading the initial two paragraphs would lead the reader to think that Israel occupies Gaza since 1967, that Hamas are not a terrorist organisation, and that Israel blocks Gazan land, sea, and air space for no reason at all.

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Section size for Gaza Strip (59 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	36,239	36,239
History	1,532	88,229
1948–1959: All-Palestine government	2,624	2,624
1956–1957: Israeli occupation	3,213	3,213
1959–1967: Egyptian occupation	1,786	1,786
1967: Israeli occupation	9,124	9,124
1987: First Intifada	5,128	5,128
1994: Gaza under Palestinian Authority	1,456	1,456
2000: Second Intifada	10,298	10,298
2005: Israel's unilateral disengagement	1,834	1,834
Post-2006: Hamas takeover	8,030	8,030
2007: Fatah–Hamas conflict	4,369	6,744
Egyptian border barrier breach	2,375	2,375
2008–2009: Gaza War	8,362	8,362
2014: Gaza War	3,192	3,192
2018–2019: Great March of Return	11,882	11,882
2021: Israel–Palestine crisis	2,261	2,261
2023–present: Gaza war	10,763	10,763
Geography	4,445	5,908
Climate	507	507
Environment issues	956	956
Government	48	14,833
Hamas government	5,503	5,503
Security	700	700
Other groups and ideologies	4,214	4,214
Administrative divisions	220	220
Legality of Hamas rule	4,148	4,148
Status	360	83,974
Israeli occupation	31,774	43,569
Characterization as open-air prison	11,795	11,795
Statehood	4,877	4,877
Control over airspace	2,949	2,949
Buffer zone	6,987	6,987
Gaza blockade	12,592	25,232
Movement of people	12,640	12,640
Economy	5,448	22,312
Israeli policies following Israeli military occupation	8,913	8,913
Industries	538	538
Natural resources	2,927	2,927
Transport	3,344	4,486
Land border crossings	1,142	1,142
Demographics	2,878	22,111
Religion	7,938	7,938
Education	3,633	3,633
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Culture	256	8,519
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Hikaye	1,031	1,031
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Split section History

into History of the Gaza Strip. It's the largest section of the article without a main page. A paragraph would be left, following summary style guidelines. fgnievinski (talk) 02:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The summary could be a few paragraphs long. UpdateNerd (talk) 02:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please leave more than a paragraph (agree with UpdateNerd), but in general agree the section has exceeded WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. CMD (talk) 09:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

but there is too many articles related to israel-palestine - as long of the main article is not above 15k words - i oppose the change. Astropulse (talk) 01:45, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification needed

The article says there is a genocide going on, but it also says the population is getting bigger. Both of these things can't be true. The article needs to be corrected one way or the other. Nicole Wallace from Australia (talk) 07:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of that word is not easy to pin down; many international organizations offer their own views, but population size alone is not determative. The Uyghurs, for example, are not usually being killed, but many define that as genocide.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

Also, presumably intent is important.

The main Wikipedia article on Uyghurs states: “The policies have drawn widespread condemnation, with some characterizing them as a genocide. In an assessment by the UN Human Rights Office, the United Nations (UN) stated that China's policies and actions in the Xinjiang region may be crimes against humanity, although it did not use the term genocide.” 2601:645:C601:6010:1834:4AAA:C4E4:578A (talk) 23:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't say that the population is getting bigger. The first source mentioning the population in the lead is this Reuters article, stating that the total population has declined by 6% since the start of the war. I'll add the percentage decrease to the sentence using this source to clarify that the population is in decline. JasonMacker (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Size of territory

The map shown does not have a scale shown. The 141 sq. miles is fine, but as "the strip" is (mostly) rectangular, the approximate dimensions ought to be given. After a few minutes of searching, Newsweek was found to say that is it about 25 miles in length. Given the area, that comes to 5.64 miles average width. A more accurate statement should be given, that the upper portion is X1 wide and that the lower portion is averages X2. Even better would be to show the length of all six (mostly straight) edges on the map, and that could be done by anyone, submitted as an original work. This information is topical relative to current world discussion about population, relocation, etc. 73.188.46.53 (talk) 05:13, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 27 March 2025 for end of ceasefire

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Description of suggested change: The 2025 Gaza war ceasefire has ended, update sentence in the lead to reflect this.

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Underswamp (talk) 16:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done: I've made the changes. Thank you for helping out. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 16:57, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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add that the Gaza strip is currently in a war/ genocide to educate readers please. 97.81.105.137 (talk) 20:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already done Already in article. CMD (talk) 02:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Map legend

@The Great Mule of Eupatoria can you add a map legend since you're the one who made the map? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:12, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No issues, I will do it as soon as I am able to The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 April 2025

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Gaza Strip → Gaza
Gaza → Gaza (disambiguation)

– The Gaza Strip is the WP:MAINTOPIC for the word "Gaza". See the ngrams 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:17, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Western Asia, WikiProject Palestine, and WikiProject Geography have been notified of this discussion. 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:18, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not seeing a primary topic between the Gaza Strip and Gaza City. The city also arguably has even more longterm significance since it is ancient, while the Gaza Strip is a relatively recent delineation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What are you basing your opinion on? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 12:08, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The ancient city has far greater long-term significance than the modern polity. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per long-term significance. Srnec (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, recent news coverage has made it quite clear that "Gaza" is now strongly linked with the Gaza Strip as a whole, and the strip is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the name "Gaza" in respect to usage. This usage also affects linked terms such as "Gazans", which refers to people from the entire strip rather than just the city. This usage shift seems somewhat universal, looking through quite a few google pages shows news sources from around the world, UN sources, various official government statements, and other uses referring to the Strip. The Wikipedia page on the city was the sole exception. I would be surprised if other people's results are much different, and that sort of dominance is rare for situations of competing topics. Readers searching for "Gaza" are almost certainly searching for the Gaza Strip, and our pages should be titled to cater to that rather than sending them to an unnecessary disambiguation. CMD (talk) 01:11, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. "Gaza" commonly refers to the Gaza Strip. Skitash (talk) 01:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New York commonly refers to _____? Srnec (talk) 03:15, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I get your point, however this is different. Per nom and RS, Gaza is most commonly used to refer to the entire territory. Skitash (talk) 08:33, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's a really bad comparison. Is it the "Gaza (Strip) war" or the "Gaza (City) war"? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New York might not be the best example, see Wikipedia:NYRM. Andrewa (talk) 07:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Numerous news organizations and other WP:RS (for recent usage, see Al Jazeera, Reuters, BBC, CNN) all support the usage of "Gaza" to refer to the Gaza Strip as a whole. This RM would also solve the issue of the countless times that [[Gaza strip|Gaza]] is used on Wikipedia, making it clear that "Gaza" on its own almost always refers to the entire Gaza Strip.--JasonMacker (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this RM succeeds, I would also support Gaza (disambiguation) being in a hatnote at the top of the Gaza page. JasonMacker (talk) 18:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – with barely 1.5:1 in favor of this title, no clear primary topic. New York City is almost 4:1 against New York State, yet you don't see us moving NYC to the base name of New York. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 12:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above and WP:RECENTISM. Mast303 (talk) 00:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Gaza strip has always been the main topic since the 1940s. I don't know what recentism you're talking about 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 05:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – I do not disagree with the claim that "Gaza" is often used as a short-form for the Gaza Strip (in both English and Arabic), but I think the precision given by the status quo (of Gaza Strip and Gaza City being titled the way they are and Gaza as a disambiguation page) has functional utility for readers who are not as familiar with the topic. I do not think it is an improvement to move Gaza Strip to Gaza and Gaza to Gaza (disambiguation), then add a hatnote to the Gaza Strip article along the lines of "This is about the wider territory; for the city named Gaza, see Gaza City, etc." The term "Gaza Strip" itself is widely used in English-language scholarship to be precise and distinguish the territory from the city and historical region, evidenced somewhat ironically by the Ngrams link. Yue🌙 07:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot see a single news website calling it as Gaza strip - when you google "gaza strip" in google news right now Cinaroot (talk) 06:46, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Yue: Reading through your vote, it seems like you may be stating that the most common use of the word "Gaza" is for "Gaza Strip", but not enough for the article to be renamed "Gaza"? (In other words, what I stated in my vote: Move only the disambiguation page, then retarget Gaza to Gaza Strip?) Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per other users. Ahammed Saad (talk) 10:40, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per widely known as only Gaza ApurboWiki2024 (talk) 10:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Even UN refer it to as Gaza Cinaroot (talk) 06:44, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move Gaza to Gaza (disambiguation). ...And oppose moving Gaza Strip to Gaza. Instead, retarget Gaza to Gaza Strip after the move; "Gaza Strip" seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME for the subject. Steel1943 (talk) 18:25, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm looking through this discussion, and the way all except the most recent 2 of the "support" votes are worded, it seems they agree that the disambiguation page should be moved, but do not clearly support if or why Gaza Strip should be moved to Gaza. In fact, the nominator seems to have failed to make this argument as well since a move from Gaza Strip to Gaza is a WP:COMMONNAME claim, which is not what the nominator stated in their initial or subsequent statements. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

my argument was that it is the primary topic, not the common name 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 05:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen: Then the way you structured your move request is not what you are actually requesting to happen: It seems you are not specifically asking that Gaza Strip be moved to Gaza, but rather want Gaza to redirect to Gaza Strip? If so, the first move in your request, Gaza Strip → Gaza, should not occur, but rather only Gaza → Gaza (disambiguation) so that Gaza can redirect to Gaza Strip. Steel1943 (talk) 08:58, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If this is true, then I change my vote to support. However the way he phrased the request is sort of confusing. Evaporation123 (talk) 18:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Steel1943. Also support for Move Gaza to Gaza (disambiguation). Support per Chipmunkdavis _saluere, Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs^⚔ 09:28, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Gaza Strip is most common name for this territory. Gaza is used as a short name, but it is also used for the city. Dash9Z (talk) 02:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Dash9Z. DARIO SEVERI (talk) 05:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, recent page views and signifance are overwhelming to the Strip. Definitely a lot more relevant and PRIMARY in this day and age.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, per reasoning of other users. Waiting on more clarification about the move request Evaporation123 (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Chipmunkdavis. --Hassan697 (talk) 11:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Its name is the Gaza Strip. The fact that people like abbreviations doesn't change that. The existing "also known simply as Gaza" in the first sentence is enough to cover it. Similarly with Golan versus Golan Heights and probably countless examples around the world. Zero^talk 06:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Etymology

Why is this one of the only place pages without an etymology for the name? Gesorgod (talk) 23:21, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]