Talk:Order of the Holy Sepulchre (Orthodox)

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... see at Talk:Order of the Holy Sepulchre (Catholic)#Greek Orthodox order of the exact same name. Arminden (talk) 10:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please check the questions there. They came up as I was gathering material, along with sources found online. Mainly:

the ranks or grades: which Greek term corresponds to which English one? What is the hierarchy?
some 3 more fantasy orders with similar names to be aware of
year it was established: maybe 1925, but not certain (Mandate oblige!)
There's a mention of a collector's book about the order and its medals. That might give all answers in an RS manner! Can anyone find it?

Arminden (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from Order of the Holy Sepulchre (Catholic) to Order of the Holy Sepulchre (Orthodox). See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but no need, really. It was me all along, but on Wiki it's not about authorship, at most about edit history; and there isn't much of that. Come by for a slice of Dobos torte ;) Cheers, Arminden (talk) 18:56, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ranks

I guess there's a mess there, very hard to sort out, with Greek terms being used sometimes, and English ones at other times, but naming identical "ranks" and "medals". Provincial Jerusalemite Greeks trying to copy the West and then half-remembering to be proud Byzantines :) Arminden (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Greece

Hi Johnsoniensis. I don't know much about the "invisible tags", but you have added Wiki: Greece and this is NOT an article dealing with Greece in any direct way. The Jerusalem Patriarchate is fighting a never-ending war against Arabisation, i.e. to call itself Greek Orthodox and keep at least 90% of the important positions reserved for ethnic Greeks (from Greece & Cyprus), and are flying the Greek flag next to the Patriarchate flag from each monastery. Still, it is not an institution officially run by or from Greece. It holds on to a Panhellenic spirit and sees its roots in Byzantium, but it's autokephalous and holds sway over the Holy Land with Jerusalem, Israel, Palestine and Jordan, and that's that. Any Greek minister or high-ranking navy officer coming for a visit is likely to get knighted, the oldest medal I could find online was bestowed upon a Greek winner of an Olympic medal, but that' politics, not administrative or territorial dependence. So now please decide by yourself if Wiki: Greece is the right tag. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arminden It shares a name and some origin story.

For what its worth, I think you meant "autocephalous" not "autokephalous." Not a word that comes up much in ordinary conversation (unless you happen to be The Ordinary Ha-ha.) 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:51, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Too much Greek gets your c&k's all mixed up, ordinarily. Arminden (talk) 18:26, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And yes, I'm of the kind that removes apostrophes when misused for plurals, but here it fits. Arminden (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, As I am not a member of WP Greece I will leave it to members of that project to decide on this. Johnsoniensis (talk) 06:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]