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baseless revertions

hello. i would like to see your valid argument in reverting my contribs to Flags of the Ottoman Empire and Flag of Turkey. 83.9.35.43 (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop with "war flag" please. There is no war flag whatsoever, and that naval flag shouldn't be on the infobox at all. Those civil ensigns aren't real flags either. Beshogur (talk) 17:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

in the case of the ottoman empire please refer to; war flag:

naval ensign;

https://web.archive.org/web/20220104124418/https://denizmuzesi.dzkk.tsk.tr/en/content/563

also, i've been editing wiki since two months, what do you mean by 'years'. cheers.83.9.35.43 (talk) 21:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Turkmens

Hello! I noticed your recent revert [1] and on my end it looks like the "ك" is merging into the "ен" in the infobox title. Would it be alright to revert your edit? (Note: I have not reverted it, my recent edit was adding an endash.) x RozuRozu • ^tea _cups 04:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@XRozuRozu: I don't see it that way, maybe your browser has the problem? Your version has a big space between those two. Beshogur (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I tried accessing the page on Chrome (Macbook + Chromebook + phone), Safari (Macbook + phone), and the mobile app. It seems like it only shows correctly on my phone's Chrome/Safari, however not the app (where almost all of the Cyrillic is obscured).

I do suppose that most readers would probably access the page on a web browser on their phone, but I think that having "a big space" is better than having overlapping text. x RozuRozu • ^tea _cups 02:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see now on mobile. It's

nastalic text. No reason for it. Beshogur (talk) 10:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason of revert of the 25.01.2025

Why did you revert the edit 25.01.2025: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus&action=history ?
The info there are all well-referenced.78.175.234.78 (talk) 08:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty much unencyclopedic. Also what are you trying to tell? Beshogur (talk) 14:25, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help?

Two landmark ECHR rulings seem to be missing from wikipedia. Is there any way to create or undelete them:

Xenides-Arestis v Turkey

Demopoulos & others v Turkey

Both cases were hugely important regarding the Cyprus issue.

Both cases are also important developments in connection with the case below and should be linked in the see-also section of this article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolides_v_Orams

My justification of the creation/undeletion of these articles would be that they are highly relevant to the article linked above and they are certainly more notable than some other ECHR rulings that have articles on Wikipedia.

Another notable article should be created regarding the Immovable Property Commission of the TRNC

https://tamk.gov.ct.tr/en-us/

Quote > “The Immovable Property Commission was set up under the Immovable Property Law (No. 67/2005) in accordance with the rulings of the European Court of Human Rights in the case of Xenides-Arestis v. Turkey. The purpose of this measure was to establish an effective domestic remedy for claims relating to abandoned properties in Northern Cyprus.

The European Court of Human Rights, with decision on 1 March 2010 as to the admissibility of Demopoulos and Others v. Turkey found that Law No. 67/2005 provides an effective remedy and rejected the complaints of applicants for non-exhaustion of domestic remedies.”

These articles cover extremely important developments in the Cyprus Issue with significant legal implications. WildRabbitOnField (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Libyan Civil War map

Hello! Why are some factions on the Libyan Civil War map squiggly lines?

Here's the link: Libyan Civil War - Libyan crisis (2011–present) - Wikipedia Malka d-Ashur (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you change my edit in Operation Euphrates Shield

Why did you change my edit in the "Operation Euphrates Shield" with the number "1271617998"? It was content supported by sources and there was no problem with the writing style. What I wrote were the opinions expressed by the sources Capodeturkiye (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong address.

Uyghur language in Altai Republic?

Why did you change my edit on the page for the Uyghur language about it being spoken in Altai Republic. If my understanding is wrong and its not official can you update the map at the bottom. I don't know how to update maps. Thank you so much, god bless — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.29.171.74 (talk) 17:59, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the map below doesn't show Altai Republic. You must be mistaken. Beshogur (talk) 19:23, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know the map doesn’t show it, but it’s my understanding that it’s a minority language. Should we update the map. In India, English is a national language yet is not showing up on their map. Thank you so much. 76.14.40.7 (talk) 09:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The translation says Altai Krai. Is there a source for this? --Vichycombo (Discussion Research Institute) 10:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am against adding Uyghur to the template while it is still not resolved. I will roll back for the time being in case there is a problem, and if it continues to happen, I will consider it vandalism. --Vichycombo (Discussion Research Institute) 10:26, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First I want to apologize. I don't mean to have my edits to be vandalism. I was just operating under the knowledge that Uyghur is at least a spoken language in Altai. I also added the Kazakh translation yet it was removed. It was in the Arabic scrip of Kazakh because (at least to my knowledge) the Altai republic has Kazakh marked as an official language on the Wikipedia, even before my edit. I just added the name in Kazakh Arabic script because the altai group (at least in Altay prefecture) uses arabic script for Kazakh. this page also shows Uyghur to be a common language in the Altai Group which trecends the Russian/Chinese/Kazakh border. I hope our conversation can be amicable. I just want to make it known that my intention is not to Vandalize. GOD BLESS!

Altay Prefecture - Wikipedia 72.29.171.74 (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. This has to do with the content dispute at Turkey. Thank you. Departure– (talk) 17:18, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 2025

Your recent editing history at Turkish people shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. KarsVegas36 (talk) 00:59, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Uzun Hasan

Yes, several specialists consider this to be Uzun Hasan (as well as the Saint Peterbourg Museum holding the miniature). You can find a bunch of references here. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 14:56, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Persian Gulf

Using the provocative term "Arabian Gulf" in an article related to the reign of an Iranian dynasty can be considered an example of disruptive editing (Special:Diff/1043185465). Mahan (talk) 18:44, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Murad IV

Why did you revert my edit to the Murad article? IgnacyPL (talk) 14:47, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keraites

Greeting. I want to say have eyes on article. every once in a while there is guy whom come and add something without source or unrelated source like this :(All Khereid tribal names have meanings in the Mongolian language and end with either the Mongolic plural suffix "d" (t; ud, uud, üd, üüd) and singular suffix "n" common among medieval and modern clans. History of Mongolia (2003) Volume II.) History of Mongolia (2003) Volume dosen say anything about plural suffix or clans or Idk ud, uud, üd, üüd .Volume II is about "YUAN AND LATE MEDIEVAL PERIOD" this was add by blocked user DerekHistorian. Or using original research like on Rashid al-Din Hamadani's Jami' al-tawarik . Even in Jami' al-tawarik hamadani in regards of Keraites write in section three: در ذکر اقوامی از اتراک که ایشان نیز هر یک علی حده پادشاهی و مقدمی داشته اند. Bezartanha (talk) 06:37, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khazars

Just wanted to point out that I saw a similar usage among the Qipchaks and Shatuo before. I thought it'd be good to add same to Khazars as well due to references in Byzantine chronicles. Apologies if this confused you. Thanks for correcting my edits. Nifushi (talk) 14:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shatuo Turks is used like that in Chinese sources. Adding Turks to everything is just redundant. Beshogur (talk) 14:56, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khazars also called "Khazar Turks" in Chinese sources. You can click the Efn. I just didn't duplicate to the other citation.

"Chinese: 突厥曷薩 Tūjué Hésà; 突厥可薩 Tūjué Kěsà, 'lit. 'Türk Khazar'^[1]" Nifushi (talk) 15:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shatuo were a polity in Chinese history, while "Khazar Turks" isn't even frequently used in English. And please stop following my edits. Beshogur (talk) 15:58, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. I read MOS couple of times and I'm trying to understand and get better at editing Wikipedia. You're the highest edit count Turkish user I saw. That's why I was following how you edit articles.

Thank you for your time. Nifushi (talk) 16:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean adding "Turks" everywhere doesn't help. "Khazar Turks" appears one time in the article "Shatuo Turks" is more used. Beshogur (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t know I was supposed to consider how frequently the word is used in English. I didn’t create the Qipchaks or the Shatuo. Please calm down. Nifushi (talk) 16:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, I’ve removed all the controversial "Turkish" additions in the Seljuk-related articles as you reverted one of mine in Kilij Arslan I. Again, apologies for the confusion. Nifushi (talk) 07:25, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem but it's really anachronistic (it can be used) but it's kinda redundant and considering POV pushing. Beshogur (talk) 12:55, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ Golden 2018, p. 294.

[FOOTNOTEGolden2018294-1] Golden 2018, p. 294.

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